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Are spiked/studded biker vests gay? Hi all.
First time asking a question here so bear with me.
Im planning on getting myself a biker vest/waistcoat kinnda thing. This one here to be exact:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mens-Black-Brando-Motorcycle-Biker-Leather-Waistcoat-/260643821811?pt=Men_s_Clothes&var=&hash=item82633f3063#ht_1266wt_1139
I already have the full jacket version of it and its identical to the one worn by Marlon Brando in The Wild One and is a pretty heavy thick leather jacket.
Anyway, once I get it I plan on punching a tonne of spikes and studs through it and painting some band logos (Static X badge on the "Machine" album and Disturbeds badge on their "Believe" album) like the jacket seen in this pic here:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/YOUR-JACKET-CUSTOMISED-STUDDED-PUNK-MOTORBIKE-LEATHER-/200462056653?pt=Men_s_Clothes&hash=item2eac783ccd
Ill probably be using a tonne of these studs here:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200506494459&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_2948wt_1139
across the front and back and probably these ones in the epaulets across the shoulders:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/LARGE-DRAGON-CLAW-SPIKES-PUNK-CURVED-RARE-6PK-FREE-POST-/200434293602?pt=UK_Crafts_Leathercraft_LE&hash=item2eaad09b62
Obviously this will not be for everyday wear, it will be for when I go to the local rock club.
What do you think? Obviously I dont want to look gay (not that Im homophobic). I just want to look more "Retro Metalhead" and not "Village People + spikes"
cheers
James | | very gay. I will laugh at you if I see you in public wearing them. You WILL get laughed at, guys from school or get stared at my strangers regardless. | Are spiked/studded biker vests considered "gay"? Hi all.
First time asking a question here so bear with me.
Im planning on getting myself a biker vest/waistcoat kinnda thing. This one here to be exact:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mens-Black-Brando-Motorcycle-Biker-Leather-Waistcoat-/260643821811?pt=Men_s_Clothes&var=&hash=item82633f3063#ht_1266wt_1139
I already have the full jacket version of it and its identical to the one worn by Marlon Brando in The Wild One and is a pretty heavy thick leather jacket.
Anyway, once I get it I plan on punching a tonne of spikes and studs through it and painting some band logos (Static X badge on the "Machine" album and Disturbeds badge on their "Believe" album) like the jacket seen in this pic here:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/YOUR-JACKET-CUSTOMISED-STUDDED-PUNK-MOTORBIKE-LEATHER-/200462056653?pt=Men_s_Clothes&hash=item2eac783ccd
Ill probably be using a tonne of these studs here:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200506494459&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_2948wt_1139
across the front and back and probably these ones in the epaulets across the shoulders:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/LARGE-DRAGON-CLAW-SPIKES-PUNK-CURVED-RARE-6PK-FREE-POST-/200434293602?pt=UK_Crafts_Leathercraft_LE&hash=item2eaad09b62
Obviously this will not be for everyday wear, it will be for when I go to the local rock club.
What do you think? Obviously I dont want to look gay (not that Im homophobic). I just want to look more "Retro Metalhead" and not "Village People + spikes"
cheers
James | No offence, but the 2nd link's picture looks like an eyesore... forget about gay.
I dislike treating all gays as one 'culture', but that 2nd picture did scream 'gay bondage' to me, LOL.
The first picture is absolutely fine... maybe also cos it's sleeveless, so you can tone down on the leather by wearing something underneath (DO wear something underneath, haha) | Free will, religion, and politics? First I'd just like to put it out there that I am an agnostic... but I do not identify with mainstream religions.
The first part of my question is, for those of you that that are followers of Christian or Catholic faith, do you 1. consider religion to be based on free will? In my opinion I dont see how religion can exist without free will... but thats a whole different topic.. if you agree that it is, lets move on.
Then 2nd, if religion includes free will, why is it important to you to end another persons decision for their life.... meaning, overturning Roe v. Wade, and keeping gay marriage against the law.
before you answer here is my point, if it is not your decision, then why would you attempt to force your opinion on others, if someone has an abortion or is gay, then it is them and them alone that will go to hell for their decisions, according to your faith.... right?
my opinion is this...
I do not include religion in either topic, I base both of my personal belief's on my opinion of the natural way of life, meaning.... I do not believe being gay is natural, there would be no way to sustain life without heterosexuals..... and secondly, I do not believe abortion is natural, I'm not going to nit pic and I hope you don't either, I am speaking on abortion in general, to me its not right because we are choosing who lives and dies.
so you can see that I pretty much take the stance of conservatives, yet I do my best not to allow religion to affect my decision.
lets try to keep this one discussion mature, if you dont have anything constructive to add, please dont post. | First of all, I appreciate the fact that you've put some thought into your personal positions on homosexuality and abortion. Few people on your side of the fence have.
But I feel compelled to point out three flaws in your reasoning.
1.) Homosexuality is perfectly natural, commonly occurring in many different species. True, a species obviously couldn't sustain itself if 100% homosexual, but no species is.
2.) Natural miscarriages occur far more often in humans than abortions. The result is the same - an aborted fetus. If you're arguing that a fetus is a life and, therefore, it's immoral to intentionally take it, then I agree - as long as the fetus is in the 2nd and 3rd trimester of development. Prior to that, it's an unaware, unfeeling lump of flesh like a gall bladder or an appendix.
3.) The "it isn't natural" argument doesn't work because you're selectively applying it. Should we then not do anything that doesn't occur elsewhere in nature? That would require us to behave exactly like animals - to not do anything that's uniquely human. Makes no sense. | Free will, Religion & Politics? First I'd just like to put it out there that I am an agnostic... but I do not identify with mainstream religions.
The first part of my question is, for those of you that that are followers of Christian or Catholic faith, do you 1. consider religion to be based on free will? In my opinion I dont see how religion can exist without free will... but thats a whole different topic.. if you agree that it is, lets move on.
Then 2nd, if religion includes free will, why is it important to you to end another persons decision for their life.... meaning, overturning Roe v. Wade, and keeping gay marriage against the law.
before you answer here is my point, if it is not your decision, then why would you attempt to force your opinion on others, if someone has an abortion or is gay, then it is them and them alone that will go to hell for their decisions, according to your faith.... right?
my opinion is this...
I do not include religion in either topic, I base both of my personal belief's on my opinion of the natural way of life, meaning.... I do not believe being gay is natural, there would be no way to sustain life without heterosexuals..... and secondly, I do not believe abortion is natural, I'm not going to nit pic and I hope you don't either, I am speaking on abortion in general, to me its not right because we are choosing who lives and dies.
so you can see that I pretty much take the stance of conservatives, yet I do my best not to allow religion to affect my decision.
lets try to keep this one discussion mature, if you dont have anything constructive to add, please dont post. | As far as your stance on abortion...
The problem with what Republicans want to do is that Roe v. Wade didn't actually have that much to do with abortion. It never answered the central question of abortion legality, which is "is the fetus a living human baby or simply a clump of cells?"
Now I believe it is a living human baby (as best as I can tell so do you), but Roe v. Wade didn't have anything to do with that question. In fact, no legislation or court case has ever dealt with that question; hence the reason abortion is legal. What Roe v. Wade actually had to do with is "who has control over a woman's body, the woman or the government?" The Supreme Court went with the absolutely correct decision of saying the woman controls her own body (as best as I can tell, you also agree with that).
If Republicans were to overturn Roe v. Wade, that still wouldn't make abortion illegal as it still would not legally define a fetus as a living human baby. What it would do is say that the government controls women's bodies, and therefore the government controls all women's medical decisions. In fact, with fetuses still not legally being defined as a living human baby (and therefore still part of the woman's body) but the government decided medical decisions for women, essentially the Republicans would be giving the government the choice of whether to keep or abort the baby.
Because while they took the choice away from women who would have chosen abortion, they had to do it by taking the choice away from women who would have chosen life. Republicans would essentially be guaranteeing abortions occurred, even for women who would not normally have chosen one.
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As far as your gay marriage stance, your reasoning assumes that every human must be one (gay) or the other (straight). That is not logical, as we have already seen that is not the case. There are straight people and gay people, so allowing gays to marry will not be the end of the human race.
Secondly, if we go with the assumption that God does not exist and therefore we evolved, there are evolutionary reasons for why homosexuals would exist.
Back in the early days of human civilization, it was necessary for the much stronger males to defend the community as well as do the hunting. But the more males you had, the more competition for females there was as well. Fights would ensue, and a number of males would be killed in the fighting. That was bad for the community; so a way had to be found to where there would be many males for defense while still making little competition for females. Hence the rise of homosexuals.
But why not a 3rd gender, a neutral gender? Well, the reason the males were the defenders was because they were naturally stronger. They got that way because of testosterone, which naturally builds muscle. But testosterone is what made them male. A 3rd gender would not be in competition for females, but also would not be strong enough for defense. A homosexual was a way of providing a testosterone-producing male without producing competition for the females.
What about lesbians? Well, in situations in which a society ran short on males, like say a fatal disease that disproportionately affected the males and killed them off, some of the females may have begun developing more male hormones to become stronger and serve as defenders in a pinch.
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As far as gay marriage should the Christian version of God exist...The bible does say homosexuality is wrong. It also says that Christians should not force others to our beliefs.
We were to spread the good news of God's Kingdom by going door-to-door and person-to-person, telling anyone who will listen. But they are the ones who were to make the choice for themselves. We provide them the information they need to make their choice responsibly, but they are the ones who make the choices.
We are bringers of information, not dictators. And making gay marriage illegal is an attempt to make their choice for them. We are required to tell them what the Bible says about homosexuality, but they must make their own choice. | Question on religion, politics, and free will? First I'd just like to put it out there that I am an agnostic... but I do not identify with mainstream religions.
The first part of my question is, for those of you that that are followers of Christian or Catholic faith, do you 1. consider religion to be based on free will? In my opinion I dont see how religion can exist without free will... but thats a whole different topic.. if you agree that it is, lets move on.
Then 2nd, if religion includes free will, why is it important to you to end another persons decision for their life.... meaning, overturning Roe v. Wade, and keeping gay marriage against the law.
before you answer here is my point, if it is not your decision, then why would you attempt to force your opinion on others, if someone has an abortion or is gay, then it is them and them alone that will go to hell for their decisions, according to your faith.... right?
my opinion is this...
I do not include religion in either topic, I base both of my personal belief's on my opinion of the natural way of life, meaning.... I do not believe being gay is natural, there would be no way to sustain life without heterosexuals..... and secondly, I do not believe abortion is natural, I'm not going to nit pic and I hope you don't either, I am speaking on abortion in general, to me its not right because we are choosing who lives and dies.
so you can see that I pretty much take the stance of conservatives, yet I do my best not to allow religion to affect my decision.
lets try to keep this one discussion mature, if you dont have anything constructive to add, please dont post. | It's not about religion. Nuclear families have time and again been proven without doubt to be the best family type ie mother father guyren. All other family types ie, single parent, extended, etc., have proven statistically to be inferior. They have proven that guyren raised in such families are 50% more likley to commit crime, be obese, be depressed, they have lower incomes etc, etc. Religion has nothing to do with it.
Abortion is different. While I too find it abhorrent, freakonomics has proven that abortion directly lowers crime. The studies are undeniable. Abortion = lower crime. Should there be a better way? Yes. Is there currently? No. When there is another solution which is more beneficial to society I will be happy to back that one.
Mathematically speaking, gay = worse for society while abortion = better for society. Until the math proves otherwise, this will be my stance. |
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